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Was Joe Mixon the victim of a hate crime? How鈥檚 that for a twist in the saga of Mixon, the OU tailback who was charged with one misdemeanor count of an act resulting in gross injury, after allegedly punching fellow OU student Amelia Molitor. Molitor was not charged, though she allegedly slapped Mixon first.
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He s done it again.
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For the Sunday Oklahoman, I wrote about district attorney Greg Mashburn and his fishbowl existence, being the prosecutor in a college football town. You can read that column .
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British evolutionary biologist, atheist and provocateur Richard Dawkins has ignited another firestorm on Twitter after expressing his views about what a woman should do if told her fetus has Down syndrome. 
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Mashburn had many options in this case. Including, some say, <a href=http://www.alportico.net/prodotti/christianlouboutin-sale.jkmsw.php>Christian Louboutin</a>  filing a hate crime charge against Molitor.
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It was only a few weeks ago that The God Delusion author sparked a savage backlash for tweeting Date rape is bad. Stranger rape at knifepoint is worse, while illustrating an argument about logical reasoning.&nbsp; &nbsp;
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According to lawfirmofoklahoma.com, Section 850 of the Oklahoma criminal code defines hate crimes in the state as 鈥渢hose which target a victim or victims because of specific bias or prejudice.鈥?The statute defines hate crimes as the malicious and intentional harassment or intimidation of a person because of the victim鈥檚 鈥渞ace, color, religion, national origin, or disability.鈥?Acts of harassment or intimidation include the following: assault; assault and battery; vandalism; threat of violence; threat of destruction of property; transmitting messages through telephone, computer, or electronic media intended to incite imminent violence; and publishing, broadcasting <a href=http://www.alportico.net/gosoc.php> true religion sale</a>  or distributing material intended to incite imminent violence.鈥?
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This latest cyber slanging match started when Dawkins&nbsp;posted a link to a story about the plight of women in Ireland where abortion is largely illegal, even in the case of rape, incest or fetal deformity.
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Hate crime penalties are additional to any sentences levied for conviction of the underlying crime. Committing a hate crime is a misdemeanor on the first offense.
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Ireland is a civilised country except in this 1 area:  You d think the Roman Church would have lost all influence.
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Mixon鈥檚 attorney, Kevin Finlay, says Mixon was 鈥渞acially slurred鈥?and 鈥減hysically assaulted鈥?by Molitor. Mashburn said some witnesses said racial slurs were used while other witnesses said they weren鈥檛. Mashburn said no witness recalled the events exactly as they happened, as shown on video. Mashburn said the video was critical to his ultimate decision.
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Richard Dawkins (@RichardDawkins)
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But if Molitor did utter a racial slur that was followed by a slap, that fits the framework of a hate crime. If a racial slur was used, was it 鈥渕alicious and intentional?鈥?Can a drunk 20-year-old without a lick of sense be malicious? That鈥檚 for legal minds to decide. But it鈥檚 interesting to discuss.
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It provoked a strong reaction from Twitter users and Dawkins responded in his characteristically insensitive style.&nbsp;
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Lots of ridiculous behavior is alleged to have occurred at Pickleman鈥檚 Gourmet caf茅 in the early hours of July 25, including Mixon uttering a homosexual slur at a friend of Molitor鈥檚. That does not fit the hate crime parameters in Oklahoma, because homosexuality is not covered in the Oklahoma law, plus Mixon is not alleged to have hit the recipient of the slur.
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994 human beings with Down s Syndrome deliberately killed before birth in England and Wales in 2012. Is that civilised?
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It鈥檚 all one big mess, but it raises a question. If Molitor had been charged with a hate crime, would that change your view on Mixon? It certainly affects the narrative.
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Aidan McCourt (@AidanMcCourt)
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And would that have changed the decision by OU to <a href=http://capstone.edu.sg/images/guccioutlet.onlinesalecc.php>Gucci Outlet</a>  suspend Mixon for a year? I don鈥檛 know. I don鈥檛 know that they know. I do know that the video played a part in the decision of David Boren, Joe Castiglione and Bob Stoops.
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Yes, it is very civilised. These are fetuses, diagnosed before they have human feelings.
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Here is what Mashburn said about his decision: 鈥淲hen you are looking at that, you start saying, 鈥榃ell, OK, who鈥檚 the initial aggressor? Who basically started the physical aspect of the confrontation?鈥?In this particular case, I felt like this statute (one misdemeanor count of an act resulting in gross injury) more fit what happened because now we don鈥檛 have to talk about who the initial aggressor was. Was there gross injury? And there was. And was that against public morals? And I believe that anytime you punch a girl with that much force, even when she had hit you first, that it would be against public morals.鈥?
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Richard Dawkins (@RichardDawkins)
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Then a woman using the Twitter handle @InYourFaceNYer joined the conversation, saying she would have a real ethical dilemma if she found out her baby had Down syndrome.
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  I honestly don t know what I would do if I were pregnant with a kid with Down Syndrome. Real ethical dilemma.
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InYourFaceNewYorker (@InYourFaceNYer)
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Dawkins clearly would have no such <a href=http://architectscanterbury.co.uk/page.php?sale=Purses-Kate-Spade>Kate Spade Handbags</a>  qualms and told her what she should do.&nbsp;
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The woman should abort it and try again, Dawkins tweeted back.&nbsp;He went even further, saying it would be immoral for a woman to carry on with a pregnancy under such circumstances.
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Abort it and try again. It would be immoral to bring it into the world if you have the choice.
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Richard Dawkins (@RichardDawkins)
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Not surprisingly, Dawkins response triggered a barrage of angry tweets.
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You re not a philosopher, you re not moral, and your opinion is based on prejudice and ignorance.
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Ms Bob McBoint (@BobMcBoint)
 
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  My child *might* get leukemia. Should I abort them now to avoid the risk?
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Stephani (@whirlypearly)
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True to form, the thick-skinned Dawkins went on the defensive.&nbsp;
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In point of fact, a majority of Down Syndrome fetuses in Europe and USA are aborted. What I recommended is not outlandish but the norm.
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Richard Dawkins (@RichardDawkins)
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Woman said she wouldn t know whether to abort. I told her what I would do why. I OBVIOUSLY wouldn t TELL a woman what to do. Up to her.
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Richard Dawkins (@RichardDawkins)
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If <a href=http://www.cicviseu.net/page.php?sale=Tory-Burch-Beach-Bag>Tory Burch Beach Bag</a>  I were a woman with a DS fetus I personally would abort. So do most women in fact. If you wouldn t, good luck to you, it s your decision,
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Richard Dawkins (@RichardDawkins)
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But Dawkins found some support among followers who either share his views or love his no-holds-barred approach.
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What s the big deal ? Richard is just giving his opinion.
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Michael Deutrom (@MuddyYid)
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why are people offended by this?
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i miss Wilfred (@Bre2286)
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Not that upsetting some of his one million followers on Twitter&nbsp;bothers Dawkins one little bit. He later issued an apology of sorts on&nbsp;his  for letting slip the dogs of Twitterwar, but&nbsp;didn t retreat from his views, not by an inch.&nbsp;
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Noooo, Dawkins simply elaborated his argument that had been restricted by the 140-character limit on Twitter. &nbsp;
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what I was saying simply follows logically from the ordinary pro-choice stance that most us, I presume, espouse. My phraseology may have been tactlessly vulnerable to misunderstanding, but I can t help feeling that at least half the problem lies in a wanton eagerness to misunderstand.
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Dawkins is no stranger to controversy. In fact, as his Twitter account shows, he actively courts it.
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Last month he found himself in the middle of a social media uproar after he differentiated between date rape and stranger rape and mild pedophilia and violent pedophilia. &nbsp;
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The conversation started with this post about the <a href=http://architectscanterbury.co.uk/page.php?sale=Kate-Spade-Pen-Necklace>Kate Spade Pen Necklace</a>  Palestine-Israel conflict and evolved into a brain-twisting discussion about logical reasoning.
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It is reasonable to deplore both the original founding of the Jewish State of Israel aspirations now to destroy it
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Richard Dawkins (@RichardDawkins)
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To illustrate his point, Dawkins used the aforementioned crimes of rape and pedophilia.&nbsp;
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Date rape is bad. Stranger rape at knifepoint is worse. If you think that s an endorsement of date rape, go away and learn how to think.
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Richard Dawkins (@RichardDawkins)
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Mild pedophilia is bad. Violent pedophilia is worse. If you think that s an endorsement of mild pedophilia, go away and learn how to think.
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Richard Dawkins (@RichardDawkins)
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Naturally, this upset many social media users, particularly women. &nbsp;
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I m glad  is here to tell us objectively comparatively how bad our rapes were. Go away and learn compassion.
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Sabine (public) (@ThatSabineGirl)
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there are no varying degrees separating any of the evil things you re trying to quantify. Evil is evil...stop it.
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Ned Da Wino (@8bitanimal)
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But it s the kind of thing we ve come to expect from a man who has turned insulting entire segments of the population into something of a sport.
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Remember this tweet about Muslims?
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All the world s Muslims have fewer Nobel Prizes than Trinity College, Cambridge. They did great things in the Middle Ages, though.
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Richard Dawkins (@RichardDawkins)
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Oh, and the time he encouraged his followers to mock and ridicule religious people?
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http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/europe/united-kingdom/140821/richard-dawkins-women-should-abort-if-fetus-has-down-syndrome

Revision as of 07:30, 9 September 2014

@@@ He s done it again. British evolutionary biologist, atheist and provocateur Richard Dawkins has ignited another firestorm on Twitter after expressing his views about what a woman should do if told her fetus has Down syndrome.  It was only a few weeks ago that The God Delusion author sparked a savage backlash for tweeting Date rape is bad. Stranger rape at knifepoint is worse, while illustrating an argument about logical reasoning.    This latest cyber slanging match started when Dawkins posted a link to a story about the plight of women in Ireland where abortion is largely illegal, even in the case of rape, incest or fetal deformity. Ireland is a civilised country except in this 1 area: You d think the Roman Church would have lost all influence. 

Richard Dawkins (@RichardDawkins)

It provoked a strong reaction from Twitter users and Dawkins responded in his characteristically insensitive style.  

994 human beings with Down s Syndrome deliberately killed before birth in England and Wales in 2012. Is that civilised?
Aidan McCourt (@AidanMcCourt) 
Yes, it is very civilised. These are fetuses, diagnosed before they have human feelings.
Richard Dawkins (@RichardDawkins)

Then a woman using the Twitter handle @InYourFaceNYer joined the conversation, saying she would have a real ethical dilemma if she found out her baby had Down syndrome. 

 I honestly don t know what I would do if I were pregnant with a kid with Down Syndrome. Real ethical dilemma.
InYourFaceNewYorker (@InYourFaceNYer)

Dawkins clearly would have no such <a href=http://architectscanterbury.co.uk/page.php?sale=Purses-Kate-Spade>Kate Spade Handbags</a> qualms and told her what she should do.  The woman should abort it and try again, Dawkins tweeted back. He went even further, saying it would be immoral for a woman to carry on with a pregnancy under such circumstances. 

Abort it and try again. It would be immoral to bring it into the world if you have the choice.
Richard Dawkins (@RichardDawkins)

Not surprisingly, Dawkins response triggered a barrage of angry tweets. 

You re not a philosopher, you re not moral, and your opinion is based on prejudice and ignorance.
Ms Bob McBoint (@BobMcBoint)

  

  My child *might* get leukemia. Should I abort them now to avoid the risk?
Stephani (@whirlypearly)

True to form, the thick-skinned Dawkins went on the defensive.  In point of fact, a majority of Down Syndrome fetuses in Europe and USA are aborted. What I recommended is not outlandish but the norm. 

Richard Dawkins (@RichardDawkins)

  Woman said she wouldn t know whether to abort. I told her what I would do why. I OBVIOUSLY wouldn t TELL a woman what to do. Up to her. 

Richard Dawkins (@RichardDawkins)

If <a href=http://www.cicviseu.net/page.php?sale=Tory-Burch-Beach-Bag>Tory Burch Beach Bag</a> I were a woman with a DS fetus I personally would abort. So do most women in fact. If you wouldn t, good luck to you, it s your decision, 

Richard Dawkins (@RichardDawkins)

But Dawkins found some support among followers who either share his views or love his no-holds-barred approach. 

What s the big deal ? Richard is just giving his opinion.
Michael Deutrom (@MuddyYid)

  

why are people offended by this?
i miss Wilfred (@Bre2286)

Not that upsetting some of his one million followers on Twitter bothers Dawkins one little bit. He later issued an apology of sorts on his for letting slip the dogs of Twitterwar, but didn t retreat from his views, not by an inch.  Noooo, Dawkins simply elaborated his argument that had been restricted by the 140-character limit on Twitter.   

what I was saying simply follows logically from the ordinary pro-choice stance that most us, I presume, espouse. My phraseology may have been tactlessly vulnerable to misunderstanding, but I can t help feeling that at least half the problem lies in a wanton eagerness to misunderstand.

Dawkins is no stranger to controversy. In fact, as his Twitter account shows, he actively courts it. Last month he found himself in the middle of a social media uproar after he differentiated between date rape and stranger rape and mild pedophilia and violent pedophilia.   The conversation started with this post about the <a href=http://architectscanterbury.co.uk/page.php?sale=Kate-Spade-Pen-Necklace>Kate Spade Pen Necklace</a> Palestine-Israel conflict and evolved into a brain-twisting discussion about logical reasoning. It is reasonable to deplore both the original founding of the Jewish State of Israel aspirations now to destroy it 

Richard Dawkins (@RichardDawkins)

To illustrate his point, Dawkins used the aforementioned crimes of rape and pedophilia.  Date rape is bad. Stranger rape at knifepoint is worse. If you think that s an endorsement of date rape, go away and learn how to think. 

Richard Dawkins (@RichardDawkins)

  Mild pedophilia is bad. Violent pedophilia is worse. If you think that s an endorsement of mild pedophilia, go away and learn how to think. 

Richard Dawkins (@RichardDawkins)

Naturally, this upset many social media users, particularly women.   I m glad is here to tell us objectively comparatively how bad our rapes were. Go away and learn compassion. 

Sabine (public) (@ThatSabineGirl)

  

there are no varying degrees separating any of the evil things you re trying to quantify. Evil is evil...stop it.
Ned Da Wino (@8bitanimal)

But it s the kind of thing we ve come to expect from a man who has turned insulting entire segments of the population into something of a sport. Remember this tweet about Muslims? All the world s Muslims have fewer Nobel Prizes than Trinity College, Cambridge. They did great things in the Middle Ages, though. 

Richard Dawkins (@RichardDawkins)

Oh, and the time he encouraged his followers to mock and ridicule religious people? 

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/europe/united-kingdom/140821/richard-dawkins-women-should-abort-if-fetus-has-down-syndrome
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